nedjelja, 6. rujna 2015.

Muslim-Christian debate


Christian say that Jesus (pbuh) is God neuzubillah,and they say he is son,and Holy Spirit..in one other debat we talk about Holy Spirit..we all have spirit or (RUH) in ourselves ,a God Ruh...So give me one verse of Bible approved from christian scholars that Jesus claims to be God and should be worshiped.just one..!
Bible say:"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 15:24)
"He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me." (Luke 10:21)
So how explain this.If say Jesus is a God, how can God send him self!
In next verse of Bible:"But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham." (John 8:40)


Jesus say :Truth which i have heard of God.Answer on this,answer on your Bible...?
One more great thing about something than Islam expressly prohibit and Bible do that to but not Christians.
Bible say:“And God spake all these words, saying,I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.Thou shalt have no other gods before me.Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God“ (Exodus 20:1-5)  

(Images,scluptures,anything forbiten..Every curch have plentty of images (icons) scluptures of Mary and Jesus ..explain me this???



Second Chapter

Quran unequaled phenomen:

For those who think...

"It is He who made the sun a shining light and the moon a derived light and determined for it phases - that you may know the number of years and account [of time]. Allah has not created this except in truth. He details the signs for a people who know" (10:5)

"And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming." (21:33)

In this two ayat Allah s.w.t talking about a Moon light..and orbits of Sun and the Moon.people in that period think that

Moon have it`s own ligth..Quran deny that and say:"derived light" SubhanAllah.Who could know that 1400 years ago except the Creator.(Al-Haliq)...

"Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding." (3:190)


Now my profession.Chemistry phenomens in Quran.

"And, [O Muhammad], you are not [engaged] in any matter or recite any of the Qur'an and you [people] do not do any deed except that We are witness over you when you are involved in it. And not absent from your Lord is any [part] of an atom's weight within the earth or within the heaven or [anything] smaller than that or greater but that it is in a clear register." (10:61)

"But those who disbelieve say, "The Hour will not come to us." Say, "Yes, by my Lord, it will surely come to you. [Allah is] the Knower of the unseen." Not absent from Him is an atom's weight within the heavens or within the earth or [what is] smaller than that or greater, except that it is in a clear register" (34:3)

Undoubtedly, 14 centuries ago such a statement would be unusual for one Arab.But for modern man who pased a elementary school is normal think ;) :) ...but when you consider that this text is expressed 14 centuries ago you are bean overtaken by strange feeling..(fear and astonishment)

One other phenomen about chemistry and geology in sura Al-Hadid.This sura is number 57.Quran have 114 suras thats mean the this sura is on half of Quran or it`s center.
Al-Hadid(حديد) mean Iron and center of planet Earth is made of Iron (98%)..one intresting phenomen ;) :) Holy Quran is so precise in it`s miracles!

SubhanAllah-i wa bi hamdihi! 

"And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah, if you should be truthful.But if you do not - and you will never be able to - then fear the Fire, whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers." (Al-Beqara 23-24)




Third Chapter




In Islam we have two diferent opinion about God nature.First opinion is that God is everywhere and we cannot limited God.Second opinion is that God have its own creature and comes down on 1st haven in the last third of the night.Thats my opinion two.And I will show you ayat from Quran :“ Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly." (41:11)

We Muslim canot imagine God it`s forbbiten..because it equates Him with His creatures...like Greeks and the ancient peoples...Quran say :"The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?" (9:30).

We belive that our Lord have the Holy Hands and Holy Face :"And the Jews say, "The hand of Allah is chained." Chained are their hands, and cursed are they for what they say. Rather, both His hands are extended;....(5:64) and about His face we have profe in Sunnah(Hadith of Muhammed s.a.w.s) but we canot say He have same hands as we have...it`s forbiten,in Bible to: "And God spake all these words, saying,

I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God.(Exodus 20:1-5).
So what stil every curch have images of humans ho become "saints" or images of God how you thing He looks like..thats a disrespect of Bible..and one more profe that Romans changed a real Cristianity...so when you say that you are like Romans and Greeks before Jesus (pbuh)..(read Theogony of Greek mythology.)...
So as a Muslim I belive in One most Powerful Lord,All Mighty,the Omniscient...The most powerful Allah s.w.t. Quran ayat:"Allah - there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires Him not. And He is the Most High, the Most Great." (2:255)

In Bible New Testament:“They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.(John 8:39-40).Same chapter :"Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.(42).In 40. verse you see Jesus (pbuh) say:"the truth, which I have heard of God" so he recognizes that his not a God...So because that trinity is not based on the Bible...There is NO ONE VERSE of Bible talk about trinity.So my theory about "Pure Spirit" ;"Holy Spirit";"Ruhul-Qudus" or simple angel Jibrail make sense.In Bible : "And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness" (Luke 4:1)....."13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" (Luke 11:13) in (John 7:39-40)
"But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.
Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, Of a truth this is the Prophet."


Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know (Acts 2:22):
Quran perfectly explain this verse of Bible:"[The Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic."( 5:110 )

And then again christians say they love Jesus (pbuh) but why they not follow him...
"And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb." Luke 2:21.
"And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;" (Efhesians 5:18)...("Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." (Proverbs 20:1).

I decided to get closer to you through the Bible because you dont accept Holy Quran).Not to mention that the Bible mentions Muhammad (peace be upon him) in few verses by the name.



Fourth Chapter

And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee. (Matthew 21:11)

And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people.( Luke 7:16)

And of some, that Elias had appeared; and of others, that one of the old prophets was risen again.( Luke 9:8)

The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.(John 3:2)

Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.(John 6.14)

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matthew 15:24)
Dr. Arnold Meyer says: "If by Christianity we understand faith in Christ as the heavenly Son of God, who did not belong to earthly humanity, but who lived in the divine likeness and glory, who came down from heaven to earth, who entered humanity and took upon himself a human form through a virgin, that he might make propitiation for men's sins by his own blood upon the cross, who was then awakened from death and raised to the right hand of God, as the Lord of his own people, who believe in him, who hears their prayers, guards and leads them, who will come again with the clouds of heaven to judge the world, who will cast down all the foes of God, and will bring his own people with him unto the home of heavenly light so that they may become like His glorified body - if this is Christianity, then such Christianity was founded by St. Paul and not by our Lord"

Dr. Arnold Meyer, Professor of Theology, Zurich University, Jesus or Paul, p. 122
Grolier's encyclopedia has the following to say under the heading "Christianity": "After Jesus was crucified, his followers, strengthened by the conviction that he had risen from the dead and that they were filled with the power of the Holy Spirit, formed the first Christian community in Jerusalem. By the middle of the 1st century, missionaries were spreading the new religion among the peoples of Egypt, Syria, Anatolia, Greece, and Italy. Chief among these was Saint Paul, who laid the foundations of Christian theology and played a key role in the transformation of Christianity from a Jewish sect to a world religion. The original Christians, being Jews, observed the dietary and ritualistic laws of the Torah and required non-Jewish converts to do the same. Paul and others favored eliminating obligation, thus making Christianity more attractive to Gentiles."
Jesus (pbuh) did himself confirm the continuation of this law of Moses(pbuh) till the end of time. In Matthew 5:17-19 we read:
"Think not that I (Jesus) am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
This is confirmed in Luke 16:17:
"And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail." ..etc.
All of this was later abrogated by Paul with Galatians 3:13 "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us" and Hebrews 8:13 "In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away." and Romans 3:28 "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law." And Romans 3:1 "What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit [is there] of circumcision?" etc. 
Note: All of the words of Paul (who never met Jesus in the flesh) are refuted by James (who did meet him) in favor of the words of Jesus (pbuh) as seen in James 2:14-26
To actually list all of the issues of law in the OT which were abrogated in the NT would literally take many pages just to list. Jews consider circumcision, the Sabbath, refraining from non-Kosher food, etc. all capital issues in their religion. Forsaking a single one would be equivalent to corruption and heresy. Jesus (pbuh) himself confirmed the continuation of their law and practices. So did James. Jesus observed them steadfastly during his life on earth. After he was raised up, Paul claimed to be receiving visions from Jesus (pbuh), claimed to have converted from persecuting the followers of Jesus to joining them (i.e. Galatians 1:13), and then removed all of the law and commandments (i.e. Romans 1:3), in spite of the fact that which Jesus (pbuh) described anyone who would dare to do so as being called "the least in the kingdom of heaven." In spite of this most people today follow the words of Paul and not those of Jesus (pbuh). Was Paul mistaken? Is abrogation wrong? 

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